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zzz
anybody know anything about matrix?
snex
zzz: what are you looking to know? i run one but havent dove into the code at all
zzz
how can I get from i2p to the monero-dev matrix or irc server?
snex
not sure you can. theyre on libera.chat
snex
i can relay stuff there for you
snex
or see if i can get one of them to join here
orignal
* [[matrix]] (m-tva5zd@7dee7ammpnbleapxloynvkrv5smudh7turtendxealuthsnhfphq.b32.i2p): [matrix]
orignal
* [[matrix]] #ua #ru #ilita #foss-ru #en #minetest #yggdrasil_flood #gostcoin_ru #minecraft #i2pd_ru #shitposter
orignal
* [[matrix]] irc.ilita.i2p :Ilita UnrealIRCd
orignal
this one?
orignal
we have a bridge to matrix at ilita
zzz
trying to get to #monero-dev channel listed here getmonero.org/community/hangouts
zzz
I guess I could go thru the socks outproxy
zzz
how would I do it thru ilita?
orignal
idk, need to ask skunk
orignal
he runs this matric bridge
snex
pretty sure youd have to get the bridge to join the room, and they might not necessarily like that
zzz
not sure if matrix would make it easier or harder )))
orignal
I can ask him
orignal
will tell you
zzz
there's also matrix-im.i2p/_matrix/static not sure what that does
zzz
I know nothing...
snex
is there anyone in particular youre looking to talk to?
zzz
we're working on a community funding proposal for ccs.getmonero.org and want to look for devs that could do it
zzz
already talking to one guy on twitter but want to spread the word
dr|z3d
matrix should work over http
dr|z3d
or maybe I'm thinking of discord.
snex
matrix uses http
dr|z3d
if you look at that page you linked, zzz, you'll see irc servers listed which bridge to the matrix server.
dr|z3d
users on matrix are usually indicated with a [m] suffix.
zzz
I guess the easiest way would be to socks out to irc.libera.chat
dr|z3d
or use the webchat ui over http.
snex
this funding proposal stuff is silly imo. they should raise funds via monero lotteries
zzz
you familiar with this monero stuff?
zzz
I'm just trying to get them to unfuck their i2p support
snex
a little
snex
not enough to be the dev youre looking for
zzz
whats the difference between bounties and CCS? There's an I2P bounty that has gone nowhere but this twitter guy says use CCS
snex
ccs is like this whole system where they vote on where to apply funds. bounties i believe anybody can set up
zzz
ok so CCS gets money directly from the monero project, plus others contribute also? but bounties is user-funded only?
snex
[09:52] <@zzz> ok so CCS gets money directly from the monero project, plus others contribute also? but bounties is user-funded only?
snex
[09:52] <+snex> i believe thats correct
snex
[09:53] <+snex> do you know how much is in the i2p bounty?
zzz
I don't know who might donate
zzz
but the going rate seems to be about 150 XMR for 3 months of work, which is my best guess
zzz
the existing bounty is up to 22.2 XMR
zzz
so for now I'm setting this to 127.8 XMR.
zzz
I don't know if that's enough to get somebody to do it or not
zzz
seems like most CCS are submitted by the guy that wants to do the work
dr|z3d
do they need incentivizing to fix their i2p support? surely it's in their interest to sort it, not so much ours?
zzz
this one is the opposite - we'll tell you how to do it, now go find somebody
zzz
it's been over 10 years, first kovri and then i2p-zero
zzz
so they need a kick in the ass somehow
snex
im sure its in their interest but they have lots of priorities going on. the seraphis/jamtis shit is going to be a HUGE change
dr|z3d
the problem with throwing monero at them is that when the monero dries up, so does the interest in maintaining whatever work has been done.
zzz
the thing is they're a privacy coin, so it's kinda bad they are so borked about i2p
dr|z3d
well, exactly. their problem. they should fix without being offered financials.
zzz
I assume if this proposal gets implemented the result will be users and devs that will become i2p users too and keep the pressure on to keep it from breaking
snex
i dont think theres a whole lot of people in the world that even know both codebases enough
zzz
sure but if we put up a well written CCS then their users will fund it
zzz
sure but at some level it's just copypasta what bitcoin did. you don't need to know anything about i2p codebase
dr|z3d
ok, that sounds reasonable. write up a proposal, let them fund it.
dr|z3d
that is, assuming they want to fix their crap.
zzz
here's the 22.2 bounty bounties.monero.social/posts/32/22-199m-i2p-baked-into-the-monero-gui
zzz
they're stuck because they're trying to bundle or manage i2pd in that bounty.
zzz
I'm giving them the way forward ... switch to SAM, steal bitcoin code, give up on i2p-zero and give up on bundling/managing
dr|z3d
if they want a fully fledged implmentation, one way would be to do an java i2p plugin.
zzz
nooooo
dr|z3d
oh?
zzz
just copy bitcoin and libtorrent. done and done.
dr|z3d
ok, so just use SAM is what you're saying, and then they run their own monero whatever via that.
zzz
we don't want monero inside the java router. we don't want routers inside monero, they can't handle that.
zzz
right. just switch from i2p-zero, dual-socks-tunnel in/out, custom scripts, unmaintained, to std. sam
zzz
I give up on socks out to libera
dr|z3d
tried the webui yet?
zzz
guess thats the next to try
dr|z3d
I had libera routing over tor before, but you may need to register your nick first, can't remember, I think they inherited freenode's tor stuff.
zzz
ok I'm in on web.libera.chat via outproxy
dr|z3d
huzzah
orignal
are they still trying to bundle i2pd? lol
orignal
tell them to use SAM
orignal
I told Spagni 10 years ago
snex
im not sure how involved he is anymore
dr|z3d
fluffycookies
orignal
and forged invoices
not_bob
I like fluffycookies.
snex
some government says invoices were forged, therefore they musta been
snex
i heard that guy jaywalked a couple times too
not_bob
Crap, that's a crime!
zzz
yes they are still trying
zzz
I'm doing what I can to turn the ship
not_bob_afk
:(
zzz
there's one guy still trying anyway
zzz
most of the rest are like, idk, isn't i2pd fine? (two socks tunnels) even though all their docs point to i2p-zero
zzz
exactly nobody said, wow, ofc sam is the right way, even though eyedeekay has given them at least 5 sam talks in 5 years at their conferences
snex
its weird how little overlap there is between monero and i2p
not_bob_afk
You would think the two would easily go hand in hand.
zzz
the guy trying to do the embedding and claim the measly 22.2 XMR bounty seems to be one of two ppl who know anything about i2p. The other guy is the one who gave up on it before him.
zzz
and neither one has apparently ever talked to us
not_bob_afk
Odd
not_bob_afk
I'd like to think that this gorup is pretty approchable.
snex
its hard enough just to find this place
not_bob_afk
I've got this palce on the contact page of my page.
not_bob_afk
I can't seem to type today.
zzz
my sense is that the core devs don't care and these fringe guys are hacking at it poorly and slowly for the promise of peanuts
snex
so lets build a lottery and promise them riches
zzz
nobody seems to recognize that bundling would commit them to maintenance in perpetuity that they clearly don't have the resources for
snex
gambling will save the world
zzz
perhaps
not_bob_afk
Yeah, a bundle is a bad idea.
zzz
need some core dev to care enough to endorse our proposal, rather than let these guys thrash and then ignore/trash their PRs
zzz
which is where things are at now
snex
is there a C library for SAM
snex
answered my own question already