#ls2 (irc2p) | #ls2 I2P Protocol Development Discussion - Next Meeting Monday, October 9th 6:30 UTC

zzz I also want to repeat that I would never enable SSU 2 by default until we're done with joint testing. There definitely could be mistakes on my side still

orignal ofc

zzz take your time

orignal I'm still far away from it

zzz don't feel any pressure, it will be done when it's done

orignal and SSU2 will have lowest priority in my code

orignal even after yggdrasil

orignal e.g. I try NTCP2, then SSU, then ygg and then SSU2

zzz ok

zzz any other status or any questions for today from anybody?

orignal are you going to publish it as SSU2 later on?

zzz probably not until we turn off SSU 1

zzz unless I find time to completely refactor things

zzz like if I add ygg support then I could switch to SSU2 also

orignal like you did for NTCP2

zzz yeah I know what I need to do, it's just not going to be fun

orignal SSU2 over ygg is a bad idea

orignal UDP doesn't work well there

orignal just FYI

zzz no, not SSU2 over ygg. Just that handling multiple published addresses (besides just v4 and v6) requires a big refactor

orignal well it works but slow

orignal got it

orignal beside it you should

zzz agreed

orignal btw are you alble to find SSU2 address in my RI?

orignal because it goes after ygg address

zzz I see it in the netdb; don't try to connect because no "i" and no host/port

zzz actually that's one bug I fixed and will be checking in soon, I try to relay if there's "i" but no host/port

orignal no I mean are you able to process it of you stop on ygg

orignal "i" will be published just need to restart

zzz I can process it in theory, I don't "stop on ygg"

orignal no host/port is normal sitiuation

orignal if there is "4" or "6" in caps

zzz right, but as I said, I have bugs with trying to do relay and peer test on SSU 2, still fixing those

orignal good

zzz any other SSU2 status or any questions for today from anybody?

orignal not now

orignal will be back to you in few days

zzz :)

zzz 2) Wikipedia

eyedeekay So one of the redditors posted last week that they had been blocked from editing Wikipedia, apparently for no other reason than having an I2P router on their system

eyedeekay If this is true, that's a really big deal, so I looked into it

eyedeekay I'm not sure what I've seen is conclusive, but I think something weird is going on

eyedeekay It would appear that, at any given time, no less than 15% of my peers are banned from wikipedia, with 55% being the highest I observed

eyedeekay I think this is suspicious, but I think it may be because a bot which draws information from a third party(Referred to in their docs as an API Partner) is accidentally misclassifying us

eyedeekay So I'm planning to share the scripts I wrote to measure the effect, tell them what I think is going on and try to work with them to resolve it

eyedeekay If you'd like to be cc'ed on the email I can add you, I have not contacted them yet

eyedeekay EOT

zzz It is interesting. I don't give a crap about editing on wikipedia, but if there's some third party out there scraping the netdb, that's not good

eyedeekay Yeah I thought it was creepy to say the least

zzz to be clear, this is people just running i2p, but accessing wikipedia directly? (not via outproxy?)

eyedeekay Yes that was the first thing I ruled out

eyedeekay And the information is more than a little confusing

zzz so, there's a couple things we could do here

zzz either before or after trying to find out who the "API partner" is, I could ask Lance James for help

zzz he might know who it is or be able to find out

orignal why do we even care about this Pedipedia?

zzz yeah, lets make that clear. what's the goal here eyedeekay ?

orignal excatly

eyedeekay Because getting people banned from sites for running I2P is a terrible precedent. I get it with open proxies and exits, but just enumerating and banning users is not good

orignal Pedipedia doesn't like i2p because they are faggots. so?

zzz I don't care about wikipedia

orignal me too

zzz I do care about somebody making a list of i2p users

orignal lol

orignal bunch of agencies do

zzz can we do something to stop it, either technically, or by asking them to stop

orignal surprised?

eyedeekay I kind of assume that lots of somebodies are attempting it

zzz no, but somebody selling the info to wikipedia isn't great

eyedeekay To be clear, I haven't confirmed that is even what is happening yet

eyedeekay To do that, I would probably have to contact them

zzz for example, is it a group of floodfills that we should ban?

zzz eyedeekay, what's your goal?

orignal I doubt it's because somebody runs an I2P router on theier IP

eyedeekay I'd like to either confirm or rule out my suspicion

zzz and if confirmed, what's the next goal?

orignal I think an offcial confirmation from Pedikedia

orignal why they do it

eyedeekay My first step would probably be to try and get Wikipedia to stop doing it.

eyedeekay But after that, I'm not sure. I don't think that such an approach is widespread, but I also think it's inappropriate and something we should know how to stop

zzz I think why is obvious

zzz they're trying to stop spam via VPN/Tor/etc, and they're misclassifying i2p users as a vpn exit. right eyedeekay ?

eyedeekay I'm not sure it is, my instinct is to go with "by mistake" for exactly that reason

eyedeekay They're misclassifying us as a VPN exit because the classifier is too coarse

zzz ok. you can keep me off the CC. If you can find out who the api provider is and/or want to get help from lance, let me know

eyedeekay Will do

zzz anything else on 2) ?

eyedeekay Not from me

orignal I suspect something else

orignal probably that guy also runs Tor exit node

orignal no

zzz eyedeekay, have you ruled out tor exit nodes?

orignal it would make sense

orignal if they believe he is an exit node

eyedeekay That's not entirely out of the question, it's true for some of them in fact

eyedeekay Part of the reason the info is confusing is because some of the bans are for shared hosting, some of the bans are for known Tor exits, and a whole bunch of them fall into this P2P VPN classifier which means nothing

zzz he said 15-55% of routers banned? that's way more than just tor exits

eyedeekay Indeed, it doesn't account for all of them

zzz anyway

zzz anything else on 2) ?

eyedeekay No

zzz anything else for the meeting?

orignal no

zzz thanks everybody

zzz happy bug hunting

eyedeekay you too

orignal also I think it will be fun with Russian IPs soon